I had that argument with a techbro-progressive in 2020, about the EU trying to push through mealworms as food and as an additive to food (unlabeled of course, and fuck everyone with potential allergies).
He ran the spiel about climate, energy, space, nutritional facts, et cetera.
The counter I had (thanks to having talked about it with a lady born and raised in the DDR, that I l now - she's got a near-ESP like sense for "fascism-in-liberal-clothing"):
"Why not feed the mealworms to poultry instead? Geese, hens, pheasants, other birds. We can eat the meat, we can make kapons of the rooster-chickens, and we can eat the eggs."
Que stunned silence - an honest one. The guy is no idiot nor a grifter.
"You know, that's so obvious I've never thought about it that way! Haha!"
Put in as a condition for a migrant to be given residence, that they complete five years unpaid work as a state serf receiving only bed and board plus vocational training on the job as needed, and you'll applications drop to 1/1 000 000 of today's influx into the EU/Europe.
The trick is that they have endless fake money, so they don't stop. They'll make meat production and sale both illegal and unprofitable, until only the goyslop shelves remain. And then people will shrug and eat what is readily available.
There are already rumors about some virus that's causing people to become allergic to animal produce. In 2026, nothing would surprise me about their evil.
Same is true about immigration and nationality. Destroying cities is fine with them. They'll gladly rule over hell.
This was certainly part of the depopulation agenda. Goodness knows what the psycho globalists were planning on putting in artificial meat. Poisons no doubt. And lots of them.
BOOM!!!! Excellent analogy !!! If civic nationalism was a food it might also be compared to those frozen vegetable lasagnas farmfoods used to sell that looked and tasted like cardboard.
Surely worse than that. I did have a section about processed food, using your own distinctions of civic nationalism, cultural nationalism and ethnic nationalism. Alas it was running too long.
Civic nationalism just cannot work. I suspect it will be rejected much like synthetic meat. There is always an air of desperation when it is mentioned. As in, this is meant to work! It must be racists who are derailing it.
Love this article, you started looking at the root cause, "But why does this happen? Why do otherwise able people become obsessed with fictional ideas?"
Why do people foolheartedly believe that the map can be the territory, their models of reality can override reality.
Iain McGilchrist talks about the left brain becoming dominant over the right brain.
Came across this comment recently
We’re not watching a collapse of intelligence.
We’re watching the wrong kind of intelligence take over.
The part that labels, measures, and controls has declared itself king…
while the part that actually sees reality has been sidelined.
No I don’t think it is happening by design. I think that is the great fraud of our time. I think the layers of society that govern and control us are lost. They cannot see the flaws in their plans. Worse, our criticism reinforces their position; push back against immigration is racism, concerns over climate policy demonstrate how myopic you are and why you need these decisions taken away from you. You can’t win because they are lost inside their heads.
The system is in a culdesac of its own making. Only collapse can reset it. Mass immigration alone will destroy the West. And they just can’t see it.
Me too. The world teaches us lessons in many ways. A key one today is innovative replacements cannot match the real thing.
A great example would be dextrous robot arms. Impressive and clever, also strong. Genuinely innovative. But do they compare to the grace of the human hand?
I would sum up today as a time of cheating. They are all shortcuts to avoid the long way round. Jump in the car, take the lift, eat the microwave dinner. It all works for a while. Until you get diabetes.
We are designed to live in certain ways. We are currently inviting people into our midst who quite evidently do not share any common cause with us and some in their group tell us they are here to destroy us. Total madness.
It feels like the basis for the perfect storm.. I fear that by the time enough blind people get their sight restored there will be little chance to reverse things.
Some days I hope I live to see it for the 'I told you so' moment.. other days I wish I were oblivious to it as it weighs heavy on my shoulders being unable to control it.
If it were just me I would be viewing this as an interesting human behavioural exercise.. but I have children.. and grandchildren.
Of course, blindness can be bliss, both metaphorically and lexical. In itself it is forgivable.. but not so of those that ply their trade and profit from it.
An excellent essay Spiff. And that meat analogy is razor-sharp. I have been reading and hearing a lot about the CivNat v EthNat debate recently; some of the most interesting from Nick Dixon and some of his guests. You might guess where he is on the matter, and I am more or less with both of you on this.
But as you say, real life can be messy and there are in my humble opinion always examples of people who might even be first-gen immigrants who are not white but have arrived with a work ethic, supported themselves and their families, paid taxes and equally importantly, spoke English always in public and adapted Western dress styles. Many Hindus and Sikhs would be prime examples of course. Jamaicans were already halfway there as they spoke English and had a basically Christian culture in any case.
So then we ask: "should the children of these people be allowed to call them selves British? Which of course if wholly different from simply "holding British citizenship"? I have no answer on that, I am afraid. I would be interested for your thoughts though.
As you say though, the numbers were so small up until recent decades that assimilation was inevitable and no threat to native culture existed or was even threatened by intent of the incomers.
So the populational (or in honesty tribal) dynamics and tensions are absolutely in our face in modern times in a way they were not before.
My stance is similar. If small numbers, assimilation is fine. Nobody cares. If we are being replaced, it doesn’t matter if they are nice, we have to say no.
A relative handful of Britons could move to Iceland, say a million of us, be nice, productive and law abiding. But we would destroy Iceland in the process. They would be quite right to deport us to preserve their own culture.
So numbers matter. And the current situation cannot be saved with civic nationalism.
Yes, I would agree completely that the example groups I mentioned are from a different paradigm period, if you will. The Britain of today can’t be compared with that era, and so any bar for even being even allowed to remain legally must be very, very high in social and especially (demonstrable) economic terms.
That looks amazing. I think this is how you secure the future. Support those who are doing it right. The actual farmers and ranchers raising healthy livestock.
It's been stated that fake meat causes cancer which oddly enough destroys the host. The same thing applies to mass migration.
Synthetic meat was a disastrous idea from the start. It gives us some confidence it failed. Who knows what other ideas will fail too.
"It's been stated that fake meat causes cancer which oddly enough destroys the host."
That doesn't mean it's true.
Early days with fake meat. Although given how fast the industry is failing I doubt we will find out.
"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.”
- Edward Abbey
Correct.
I had that argument with a techbro-progressive in 2020, about the EU trying to push through mealworms as food and as an additive to food (unlabeled of course, and fuck everyone with potential allergies).
He ran the spiel about climate, energy, space, nutritional facts, et cetera.
The counter I had (thanks to having talked about it with a lady born and raised in the DDR, that I l now - she's got a near-ESP like sense for "fascism-in-liberal-clothing"):
"Why not feed the mealworms to poultry instead? Geese, hens, pheasants, other birds. We can eat the meat, we can make kapons of the rooster-chickens, and we can eat the eggs."
Que stunned silence - an honest one. The guy is no idiot nor a grifter.
"You know, that's so obvious I've never thought about it that way! Haha!"
Put in as a condition for a migrant to be given residence, that they complete five years unpaid work as a state serf receiving only bed and board plus vocational training on the job as needed, and you'll applications drop to 1/1 000 000 of today's influx into the EU/Europe.
Wow. Rikard for Prez. These are both good ideas.
The trick is that they have endless fake money, so they don't stop. They'll make meat production and sale both illegal and unprofitable, until only the goyslop shelves remain. And then people will shrug and eat what is readily available.
There are already rumors about some virus that's causing people to become allergic to animal produce. In 2026, nothing would surprise me about their evil.
Same is true about immigration and nationality. Destroying cities is fine with them. They'll gladly rule over hell.
I agree. They will make farming and meat prohibitively expensive. I have also heard about this virus. Worrying.
We seem to be living in a time of madness.
This was certainly part of the depopulation agenda. Goodness knows what the psycho globalists were planning on putting in artificial meat. Poisons no doubt. And lots of them.
We saw what was advertised in the product and that was bad enough. God only knows what it actually contained.
They cannot stand the idea we can eat what we like.
Because what we like to eat won’t make us sick.
Plus control. The technocratic mind cannot fathom you are autonomous and better able to make decisions than them.
BOOM!!!! Excellent analogy !!! If civic nationalism was a food it might also be compared to those frozen vegetable lasagnas farmfoods used to sell that looked and tasted like cardboard.
Surely worse than that. I did have a section about processed food, using your own distinctions of civic nationalism, cultural nationalism and ethnic nationalism. Alas it was running too long.
Civic nationalism just cannot work. I suspect it will be rejected much like synthetic meat. There is always an air of desperation when it is mentioned. As in, this is meant to work! It must be racists who are derailing it.
You pitched it just right !
Cheers.
Love this article, you started looking at the root cause, "But why does this happen? Why do otherwise able people become obsessed with fictional ideas?"
Why do people foolheartedly believe that the map can be the territory, their models of reality can override reality.
Iain McGilchrist talks about the left brain becoming dominant over the right brain.
Came across this comment recently
We’re not watching a collapse of intelligence.
We’re watching the wrong kind of intelligence take over.
The part that labels, measures, and controls has declared itself king…
while the part that actually sees reality has been sidelined.
So now we get systems that are precise but blind,
confident but clueless,
data-rich and wisdom-poor.
They don’t think they’re wrong—
they literally can’t see what they’re missing.
That’s the trap.
The map replaced the territory.
The model replaced the world.
And the machine mind is now running the show.
Is part of this happening by design?
No I don’t think it is happening by design. I think that is the great fraud of our time. I think the layers of society that govern and control us are lost. They cannot see the flaws in their plans. Worse, our criticism reinforces their position; push back against immigration is racism, concerns over climate policy demonstrate how myopic you are and why you need these decisions taken away from you. You can’t win because they are lost inside their heads.
The system is in a culdesac of its own making. Only collapse can reset it. Mass immigration alone will destroy the West. And they just can’t see it.
A very apt comparison.. I find it amazing how many of life's facets follow a kind of universal similarity.
Me too. The world teaches us lessons in many ways. A key one today is innovative replacements cannot match the real thing.
A great example would be dextrous robot arms. Impressive and clever, also strong. Genuinely innovative. But do they compare to the grace of the human hand?
I would sum up today as a time of cheating. They are all shortcuts to avoid the long way round. Jump in the car, take the lift, eat the microwave dinner. It all works for a while. Until you get diabetes.
We are designed to live in certain ways. We are currently inviting people into our midst who quite evidently do not share any common cause with us and some in their group tell us they are here to destroy us. Total madness.
It feels like the basis for the perfect storm.. I fear that by the time enough blind people get their sight restored there will be little chance to reverse things.
Some days I hope I live to see it for the 'I told you so' moment.. other days I wish I were oblivious to it as it weighs heavy on my shoulders being unable to control it.
If it were just me I would be viewing this as an interesting human behavioural exercise.. but I have children.. and grandchildren.
It is troubling how blind people are. And the active role academia and the media play in our downfall is unforgiveable.
Of course, blindness can be bliss, both metaphorically and lexical. In itself it is forgivable.. but not so of those that ply their trade and profit from it.
There are many who know what is going on and play their part in our downfall.
An excellent essay Spiff. And that meat analogy is razor-sharp. I have been reading and hearing a lot about the CivNat v EthNat debate recently; some of the most interesting from Nick Dixon and some of his guests. You might guess where he is on the matter, and I am more or less with both of you on this.
But as you say, real life can be messy and there are in my humble opinion always examples of people who might even be first-gen immigrants who are not white but have arrived with a work ethic, supported themselves and their families, paid taxes and equally importantly, spoke English always in public and adapted Western dress styles. Many Hindus and Sikhs would be prime examples of course. Jamaicans were already halfway there as they spoke English and had a basically Christian culture in any case.
So then we ask: "should the children of these people be allowed to call them selves British? Which of course if wholly different from simply "holding British citizenship"? I have no answer on that, I am afraid. I would be interested for your thoughts though.
As you say though, the numbers were so small up until recent decades that assimilation was inevitable and no threat to native culture existed or was even threatened by intent of the incomers.
So the populational (or in honesty tribal) dynamics and tensions are absolutely in our face in modern times in a way they were not before.
My stance is similar. If small numbers, assimilation is fine. Nobody cares. If we are being replaced, it doesn’t matter if they are nice, we have to say no.
A relative handful of Britons could move to Iceland, say a million of us, be nice, productive and law abiding. But we would destroy Iceland in the process. They would be quite right to deport us to preserve their own culture.
So numbers matter. And the current situation cannot be saved with civic nationalism.
Yes, I would agree completely that the example groups I mentioned are from a different paradigm period, if you will. The Britain of today can’t be compared with that era, and so any bar for even being even allowed to remain legally must be very, very high in social and especially (demonstrable) economic terms.
I agree. Full assimilation and compatible. It isn't hard. But high volumes make all of this more difficult.
Here in the UK, cultural nationalism is designated by UK government's Prevent programme as a terrorist ideology.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/06/06/concern-over-mass-migration-terrorist-ideology-prevent/
Amazing. What a world.
Spot on. Saving this for the archives.
Be careful. They’ll list it as part of your show trial.
That looks amazing. I think this is how you secure the future. Support those who are doing it right. The actual farmers and ranchers raising healthy livestock.
Our governments seem hellbent on destroying us.